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March 11

Manage connected applications

I was surprised to see "CK's audio creator [1.0] Publisher: Commander Keane" at Special:OAuthManageMyGrants. I have never worked with OAuth and never heard of this tool. Maybe it is related to six years ago when I did many audio recordings with code at en:wikt:User:Commander Keane/Audio workflow. Perhaps I was messing around with OAuth at some stage. The naming "CK's audio creator" sounds too sophisticated for something I would come up with though. Is there a way to track down why or how this was added? Other items on the special page include "Wikimedia Commons Query Service [1.0]" and "Earwig's Copyvio Detector [1.0]", which make sense. Commander Keane (talk) 09:01, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

@Commander Keane Each item on the list at that page has the option to revoke your approval. My list doesn't mention CK's audio creator, so it can't be vital. I suggest you revoke the permission: the worst that can happen is that you will have to re-authorise it again if you needed it in future. If you want to delve further into that particular tool, you'll need to ask on the talk page of Help:OAuth at mediawiki. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:19, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

Page move reverting check up

I just reverted a page move for I believe the first time. Will someone please check if I forgot anything or messed it up? It was the article and the talk page: [1] Thank you in advance. Rockfang (talk) 10:12, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

Rockfang looks good to me (and phone was miscapitalised as well as being unnecessary Jimfbleak - talk to me? 11:46, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

Template issues

Hi all, I'm working on a new draft, and am attempting to use Template:Infobox ship class overview for the lead. The template, for some reason, does not want to work. It displays it in a weird form as if it is text, and continues to try and kidnap (for lack of a better term) the lead text below it. I've done some poking around and am unable to find a solution, hence why I am asking here. Thank you in advance. -Emily (PhoenixCaelestis) (talk) 12:38, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

@PhoenixCaelestis: it seems {{Infobox ship class overview}} should be part of {{Infobox ship}} so I have added the latter and it seems to work. Some of what I have added is probably redundant. TSventon (talk) 12:51, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

{{Infobox ship}} is not supported by the WP:SHIPS community. What you added to OP's sandbox is the supported infobox form. Yeah, that form is peculiar, but is inherently flexible. There was a TfD to replace the wikitable/subtemplates with a single template that uses Module:Infobox. The result is that the templates languish in the TfD holding cell.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 13:09, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

Thank you both, @TSventon and @Trappist the monk. I will update the parameters from here. Thanks for solving my issue! -Emily (PhoenixCaelestis) (talk) 14:16, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

Something broke map overlays in Infoboxes

Dear Helpdesk -

Some recent change (last few days) broke map overlays in Infoboxes. In 2020 I wrote an article that uses an overlay on a map in an Infobox to outline an area. As of a few days ago, the outline is rendered but is shifted to N of where it should be on the Infobox map. The same outline's position is correct on other maps in the article that aren't in an infobox. Who should I alert to report the problem? (There have been no changes to the map data since 2020.) Osoraku (talk) 18:32, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

Hello, @Osoraku. In the first instance, bring it up at WP:VPT. ColinFine (talk) 18:40, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

Image in wrong place

I need help here. SergeWoodzing (talk) 19:26, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

Hi SergeWoodzing. I fixed it with {{Stack}}.[2] PrimeHunter (talk) 19:47, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

Thank you! SergeWoodzing (talk) 19:50, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

Re-naming a WikiSubProject

If it was mooted to rename a sub wikiproject, what effect would this have on articles that carry the former project name in the box at the head of their talk pages? I can't find any advice on this. Tony Holkham (Talk) 21:44, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

@Tony Holkham: The box is probably made by a WikiProject template which can be edited to display the new name on all the talk pages. We can say more if you name the sub project. It's best to be specifc in questions. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:38, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter - Thanks for that. I didn't name the sub project because it is only a suggestion so far, but it is the RNLI Task Force subProject of the Water Sports Project - see here Tony Holkham (Talk) 22:42, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

@Tony Holkham: {{WikiProject Water sports}} would be edited to produce something else. A new parameter name might be added instead of {{WikiProject Water sports|RNLI=yes}} but RNLI would probably be kept as an alias so talk pages which use it wouldn't have to be edited. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:17, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter - OK, thanks. One of us will come back to this query if there is support for the change. Cheers, Tony Holkham (Talk) 23:23, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

What happened to WP:AFI?

Not much activity, nominations open for multiple years. Anyone here noticed? RanDom 404 (talk) 22:14, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

If I had ever heard of Wikipedia:Articles for improvement, RanDom 404, then I later forgot about it. Now that I do notice it, I'm not at all surprised to learn that it's moribund. -- Hoary (talk) 01:32, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

Wouldn't this be basically all articles that are worth keeping anyway? It's hard to imagine there being articles that are perfect, articles for keeping mediocre, or articles for making worse. Musiconeologist (talk) 03:02, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

@RanDom 404 The basic idea is still being promoted by The Signpost, for example if you look at the latest edition (search for "improvement"), you'll find that they mention Jewish deli, followed by Kerosene. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:21, 13 March 2025 (UTC)

March 12

Merging

If I want to merge two articles (in this case because an AfD closed with that recommendation) in the old days I would simply have copied-and-pasted the content of one article into an appropriate place in the other, turned the first article into a redirect to the second, then edited the second article appropriately to make sense of the new content. Is there now anything different to be done on a technical level? Or does the method I've just described still work appropriately? AndyJones (talk) 13:59, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

Broadly, yes, @AndyJones. See WP:PROMERGE for the details. ColinFine (talk) 14:19, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

You should also add merged-from and merged-to notices (using the templates) in the respective talk pages. Clarityfiend (talk) 21:03, 13 March 2025 (UTC)

Anna Leonowens - plagiarism question

Seeking feedback on this post about plagiarism... Drew Stanley (talk) 14:30, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

Drew Stanley I have responded there. TSventon (talk) 14:58, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

Immaculate Heart High School (Los Angeles)

I have added a file of an photograph of the old school It is way too big - please assist. Sorry and thanks Srbernadette (talk) 22:51, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

@Srbernadette I made a quick fix of the issue by adding "|thumb" to the file. If you want to tweak the image's size, placement, etc, I recommend you check this help page NeoGaze (talk) 23:33, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

You got there first! Musiconeologist (talk) 23:35, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

I think last time it was a matter of adding |thumb somewhere. I'll go and look . . . Edit: already done by NeoGaze. You definitely should keep a note of these fixes. I won't say it's easy, because different people find different things easy or difficult, but it's a small edit once you're familiar with it. Musiconeologist (talk) 23:34, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

Easiest way to add score examples?

So I have been editing the article Symphony No. 2 (Brian) since its very start, and I wanted to add score examples of the main themes of the piece. I tried copying the template from Beethoven's Eroica Symphony and manually modify it, but it takes too much time and trial and error. Is there a more intuitive and efficient way to do this? Thanks in advance. NeoGaze (talk) 23:28, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

@NeoGaze: Have you read the Help:Score page? There are some resources in the External links section including one to LilyPad documentation that might be helpful. There are a few WikiSource links in the box on the right of the See Also section which are tutorial-style. Jiltedsquirrel (talk) 01:46, 13 March 2025 (UTC)

What's the right way to deal with numbers in foreign currencies?

For example, today the EU announced tariffs on €4.5bn of U.S. consumer goods. If I want to use this information in a U.S.-focused, American English article, is it best practice to leave the number in Euros, convert the number to USD myself, or is there a template I can use somewhere?

I've seen templates like Template:From EUR, but they haven't been updated in years so they cannot convert 2025 currency. satkara❈talk 23:51, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

@Satkara: If you're set on using a converted value to USD in the article, I would go ahead and use the From EUR template and just specify the most current year that there is template data, which appears to be 2023 based on some testing in a sandbox. Based on MOS:MONEY, I would suggest including the reported euro value along with the conversion and year used for conversion rates (i.e. "{template conversion to USD} in 2023 dollars"). Jiltedsquirrel (talk) 01:32, 13 March 2025 (UTC)

Thanks @Jiltedsquirrel! satkara❈talk 02:32, 13 March 2025 (UTC)

March 13

Linking citations with url as well wikipedia article

Morning Folks!! Is possible to have cite book entry that links to the book url in the internet archive and at the same time link to the Wikipedia article about it. For example, on the George MacDonald article, in the fantasy section, there is cite book entry and there is also the Fantasy section entries. In the first entry there is a Phantastes: A faerie romance for men and women which links to the internet archive but there is also the Phantastes article. Is it possible to link these two somehow in an effective way. I tend to mention the book in the prose but it would be nice to see linked in here somehow. Thanks. scope_creep^Talk 11:33, 13 March 2025 (UTC)

@Scope creep You can use the parameter |title-link in the {{cite book}} but it will conflict with the URL and give an error. The help at Help:CS1_errors#URL–wikilink_conflict suggests you would need to place the URL at the end of the citation (outside the curly brackets at the end, for example) to separately provide the link, say as "Here at archive". Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:36, 13 March 2025 (UTC)

Wikipedia should generally not be cited as a source. I would put the internet archive link in its parameter, which I know is in the website entry but I am not sure if it is in the book entry. PhoenixCaelestis•Talk•Contribs) 12:45, 13 March 2025 (UTC)

They are not used as sources thankfully, just sitting in the publications list. I don't think its in the cite book entry. I would have assumed there was a simple way of doing it. They must have came across this problem before? I think putting the archive link at the end of the cite and using title-link seems the best way of doing it. scope_creep^Talk 12:50, 13 March 2025 (UTC)

@Scope creep: the general advice here is excellent: you can add stuff that is not inside the template at all. However, in the specific case of Phantastes, it is not clear that the Internet archive copy is the best of the many excellent internet copies of the book listed in the "external links" section of the book's article. If I decide to read the book (which I may, now that you made me aware of it) I will probably read the Wikisource transcription. -Arch dude (talk) 15:50, 13 March 2025 (UTC)

Hi @Arch dude: I'm not keen on those transcribed versions as they often miss important information e.g. the illustrations and/or many times they have branding on them that is entirely unsuitable, which seems to be becoming more and more prominent. The one I've linked to for this is the first edition, although do they have the date wrong on the internet archive and its the scan of the entire book including covers with no branding, in its whole originality. I never thought of using the wikisource. I will need to think about the pro's and con's of it. Its certainly free of branding and will remain so, which is a good thing. scope_creep^Talk 07:41, 14 March 2025 (UTC)

@Arch dude: Try the The Night Land Novel by William Hope Hodgson 1912 which may be up your street if you like the Phantastes stuff. scope_creep^Talk 07:46, 14 March 2025 (UTC)

How do I insert numbered inline citations in an article

Please can someone help me? I have looked at Wikipedia: Inline citations, to try to work out how to place inline citations in an article. I have done experiments in my sandbox using (<ref: SOURCE: ref/), but that has not worked. Where I am going wrong? Anyone who can provide a step-by-step guide as to how to place numbered citations in an article that even a numbskull like me can understand will be much appreciated. Many thanks, YTKJ (talk) 21:55, 13 March 2025 (UTC)

it should be <ref> SOURCE </ref> —Tamfang (talk) 22:02, 13 March 2025 (UTC)

@YTKJ, I recommend for your first references (sources):

• <ref>Author, Title, Web address if there is one, Publisher, Date, Pages</ref>.
• With Visual Editor use Cite->Manual->Basic form, and the editor will add the <ref></ref> part for you.

For other ways see Help:Referencing for beginners and the reference sections at Help:Introduction. StarryGrandma (talk) 22:23, 13 March 2025 (UTC)

User: StarryGrandma, I have tried that on the sandbox of my userpage, but it has not resulted in the numbered code. Would you care to tell me where I have gone wrong? YTKJ (talk) 07:38, 14 March 2025 (UTC)

Hi @YTKJ: What exactly do you mean. The software automatically numbers the references when you put in inline citations, in the order you put them in. I'll take a look at what your doing. scope_creep^Talk

I see what happened. It should have been <ref> Brown, 1998</ref> I updated this reference Brown, 1995. It should have a opening ref and close ref to tell it that is the ref. You also missed the template that goes near the bottom of the article.

==References==
{{Reflist}}

that is placed near the bottom of the article. The Reflist tag tells the software where to render them all into a block in the article and numbers them for you. I've used the nowiki tags around here to stop the system rendering them on this talk page, which we don't want. You were very close to get the getting the cigar but this should help. If you need help contact me and I will give you a hand. Lastly on top of the editor window which opens when not using the visual editor is a cite button which has a set of 4 drop down templates which are the most common references types like cite book and cite web and so on. When you click on it, it opens a dialog with fields that can be filled in. Fill these in and it will create the reference for you. Hope that helps. scope_creep^Talk 08:02, 14 March 2025 (UTC)

@YTKJ Looking at your sandbox: you've been trying to put the reference inside a sort of <ref /ref> tag (which doesn't exist) instead of between an opening <ref> one and a closing </ref> one. Also there's a stray <nowiki> tag which shouldn't be there—it's used in examples to stop code working as code and display what it looks like instead, and isn't part of what to type. Musiconeologist (talk) 08:15, 14 March 2025 (UTC)

@YTKJ Suggestion: Try starting with something very short so you can see what you're doing—maybe just copy <ref>this</ref>—then when that's working, replace the word this with the actual text you need. That way, you can focus on one step at once.

Or even begin with just <ref></ref> then start typing between the >< in the middle. That's usually the best way to avoid typos with tags that come in pairs. Musiconeologist (talk) 08:44, 14 March 2025 (UTC)

March 14

Good article category?

Is there a Category:Good articles by age or something like that? If there isn't, it would be helpful if good articles were sorted by their age in a new category so that old ones that have issues can easily be found and nominated for WP:GAR TNM101 (chat) 06:52, 14 March 2025 (UTC)

@TNM101: you could try asking at Wikipedia talk:Good article nominations as people ther will know more about the GA process than most helpers here. TSventon (talk) 17:49, 14 March 2025 (UTC)

@TNM101 Rather than looking up good articles by age (I imagine there is a way to do this) you can use the cleanup listing for good articles, which will allow you to find all the good articles with various maintenance tags and specific issues. Reconrabbit 19:06, 14 March 2025 (UTC)

Correct way to do this

Sudzha. On 14 January 2024, an edit is made "After the beginning of the full-scale Russian invasion of Ukraine in 2022, Sudha became..." (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sudzha&diff=next&oldid=1195628086). The source provided supports the second part of the sentence but says nothing about the term "full-scale invasion." As far as I can tell, the phrase "full-scale" has remained in the article through about two hundred edits. Today, another editor added a "dubious" tag around "full-scale" and shared their opinion, but they did not start a discussion on the talk page.

I disagree with the editor’s opinion. I assume the correct approach would be to open a discussion on the talk page. However, since "full-scale invasion" is mentioned in many other articles about the Russian invasion of Ukraine, I suspect that this issue has already been discussed and that a consensus has been reached. The article Russian invasion of Ukraine mentions "full-scale invasion". Can I therefore assume that the term "full-scale invasion" is acceptable and remove the "dubious" tag? (I have also looked at the archive of the talk page of Russian invasion of Ukraine, and "full scale" is mentioned in a lot of archives - it is possible that it has been discussed but it is such a job to go look for it)

Another question: In other cases where an editor adds a "dubious" tag to a word, expresses an unsourced opinion that "this is all wrong", but does not start a discussion — and if no previous editors have raised concerns about that term — is it the editor’s responsibility to open a discussion and can I simply remove the tag, or should I keep the tag and open the discussion? TIA!! Lova Falk (talk) 14:49, 14 March 2025 (UTC)

@Lova Falk WP:DRIVEBY suggests that adding such tags without discussion is a bad idea (although not prohibited by policy). As it happens, while typing this I have been listening to the BBC's 6 p.m. news on the radio and the phrase "full-scale invasion" came up! I've heard it so many times that I certainly don't think it is dubious. Mike Turnbull (talk) 18:06, 14 March 2025 (UTC)

Thank you Mike Turnbull! Could you please extend your comment to an advice on how to deal with them. For instance, would it be fine just to remove them? WP:Etiquette does not require me to first try to engage the editor in a Talk conversation? Lova Falk (talk) 18:13, 14 March 2025 (UTC)

The other editor may have been concerned that the phrase in question is imprecise: the "became the last remaining point" presumably happened exactly on the day of the other pipeline's sabotage, not just "After the beginning of the full-scale invasion". You should probably either clarify that with an exact date or WP:PING the other editor to the talk page to discuss this. Mike Turnbull (talk) 18:35, 14 March 2025 (UTC)

Can I use this picture?

Hi! I was trying to expand the stub at Noarlunga_railway_station and found an image here: https://www.libraries.sa.gov.au/client/en_AU/walkerville/search/detailnonmodal/ent:$002f$002fSD_ASSET$002f0$002fSD_ASSET:1432327/ada?qu=Landscapes+%28views%29&d=ent%3A%2F%2FSD_ASSET%2F0%2FSD_ASSET%3A1432327%7EASSET%7E162&ic=true&ps=300&h=8

Is that something I can use in the article? Sock-the-guy (talk) 19:02, 14 March 2025 (UTC)

The photograph looks like it was taken in 1968 and its copyright is not indicated anywhere (the source link is broken) unfortunately it is unlikely to be in the public domain per Australian copyright rules. You could still add a link to it in "External links" if desirable. Reconrabbit 19:12, 14 March 2025 (UTC)

Thanks! Sock-the-guy (talk) 19:14, 14 March 2025 (UTC)

Question

Hi, I'd like to link to a specific subsection of an article. How does that generally look like?

The link is supposed to lead to "The Ideological Turing Test" within the Bryan Caplan article. I imagine this might be where Wikipedia redirects come in. Thank you. MutuallyAssuredDeduction (talk) 20:21, 14 March 2025 (UTC)